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PostSubject: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:52 am

i've never understood why people (mostly on the internet) seem so turned off by it in general, and it seems like if people ever do listen to rap it ends up being something dorky like deltron3030 and atmosphere (i sort of like both people but face it they're both nerdy as ****ing hell) and write everything else off as gangsta ass poser music without realizing a lot of it is rad as hell even if it's full of itself

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:05 am

I like Biggie and Jigga and Kanye and I'm pretty sure that's the extent of the rap albums I have. I will damn country music much more quickly and more willingly than rap.

When people say rapping takes no talent, it's clear that they have higher standards of music (Nickelback, Saving Abel, etc... you know the good stuff).

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:54 am

I've listened to pretty much every kind of Rap you can imagine but could never get into it.

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:56 pm

like what
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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:34 pm

Kanye, Nas, Talib Kweli, Lupe, Mos Def

And as much as I hate Lil Wayne, I always have his song stuck in my head when he has a new one.

And I'll kick Asher Roth's ass if I ever see him.

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:00 pm

I haven't listened to rap in years but I was always kind of fond of Outkast.

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:34 pm

There's something gorgeous about an MC hammering the mic all through a 5+ minute track.

I used to consider there to be two sub-genres here: hip hop and hip pop, hip hop being a vocal focus, there's a backing track but what you're supposed to be listening to is the emcee vs hip pop being stuff where rapping isn't the focus (ie. many Kanye tracks), but now I'm not sure any more. I couldn't figure out where to draw the distinction between "this track does not have enough rap and this track does", so I figured it was a stupid idea.

I didn't really enjoy rap outside of Tupac, NWA, Doc Dre and the Biggie until a few years back when I realized just how many people were calling Lloyd Banks a jerkoff, and discovered they were completely right.

Also, I truly believe Dre and his attitude are largely responsible for the disastrous situation black people found themselves in during the late 80s early 90s, but I still love his rap.



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EDITEDIT: Also, Nas did not need to make his "Untitled" album. It was bad (or I should say, pretty unremarkable, he's not a bad artist), the hype around the old title was bad, and he really looked sour through the whole thing. Kinda put me off him, though Illmatic is still killer.

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:14 pm

i never understood illmatic being thought of the greatest rap album of all time (same goes for 36 chambers and the like too) but they're all still solid
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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:21 pm

ThingrueIstKRIEG wrote:
like what


Old stuff from MC Hammer (Well MC Hammer is the only rap I found in the eighties). From the 90's like Vanilla Ice and Onyx (Onyx is pretty cool) to the newer pieces of crap today (Soulja Boy)

I'm pretty sure there's a ton of obscure (also possibly good) rap I've missed but I'm pretty sure I've listened enough to state my opinion on it.

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:40 pm

If you are actually using vanilla ice and hammer as examples of broad spectrum rap, I would disagree.

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, but I am saying you should definitely try more stuff before passing judgment. Because it's really not that you've missed obscure rap groups so much as you've only heard the very worst examples of mainstream radio rap.

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:36 pm

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If you are actually using vanilla ice and hammer as examples of broad spectrum rap, I would disagree.

And Soulja Boy definitely shouldn't be today's poster boy. There's really only a small group of people that actually like him.

I think Soulja Boy even knows his stuff is ****, but he's making a quick buck from no effort, so why not keep playing xbox all day and then churn a crappy song out in 5 minutes that all his stupid fans will buy.

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:43 pm

soulja boy tell em

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:31 am

soulja boy TOLD em

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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:52 am

ThingrueIstKRIEG wrote:
i've never understood why people (mostly on the internet) seem so turned off by it in general


Sometimes people have different tastes in things than other people.



Personally, I like some rap and don't like some other. One things that doesn't help is that the prevailing mainstream image of rap is often diametrically opposed to the tastes held by most who identify themselves as nerds, who you find in large groups on the internet.
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PostSubject: Re: lets talk rap   Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:18 am

Metal music is huge with kids on the net, yet infers an image of strength and power, two concepts that contrast greatly with the typical internet user.

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