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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:44 am

Man, you guys threw my observations and research out of proportion. I may be a cynical bastard, but that doesn't mean I don't like to sarcastically exaggerate things.

Many times for professional reasons, fanservice is "hidden" sometimes as easter eggs in both games and animation(not just subtle either, as it can "jump out" to you when you least expect it. In fact, it's what piqued my curiosity). The developers did their part and can make a quality product, I am not talking down on them. Expecting someone to 100% keep their fantasies or sexual fetishes out of their creation is unrealistic thinking, but is an actual scenario that can be hard to believe in this age of art.

Oh, by the way, new fetishes can be born from repeated tropes and passed on to players/viewers, and what's scary is that practically everything can be a fetish. If you want to understand more, don't be afraid on doing your own homework.

Ahhh, I shouldn't have spent most of my time on sexology research and debating this week.

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It's why I still have a tiny bit of hope that maybe, just maybe, the villain of Hyrule Warriors will end up being decent even though her design is absolutely gross. (Though what I've heard of her story also sounds gross, so I'm not holding out much hope. Just a tiny shred.)

Despite not being a fan of DW's "selling point" gameplay. I'm not holding much hope for HW's plot after what I read on the antagonist's terrible and cliche'd motive - in fact, as the game stands right now it's a Dynasty Warriors Harem.
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:38 am

I think this image is relevant.

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:43 am

^ Yup yup yup.

All right, actual news, new character announcement on Monday.  Folks swearing by the Gematsu leak are swearing its going to Shulk.  We'll see.

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Oh, by the way, new fetishes can be born from repeated tropes and passed on to players/viewers, and what's scary is that practically everything can be a fetish. If you want to understand more, don't be afraid on doing your own homework.

The porn and almost porn or the victims?  Question   I'm afraid most adult anime fans on the internet already acquainted with the former- and we're the more qualified than anyone to lambast it to bits for it.  And folks don't think the age of internet porn isn't scary; we need more people who step outside of themselves, put down their instinct to play the prude card and realize the pit of more and more specialized and nonsensical sexualization ain't funny. Piece said, off soapbox.

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It's why I still have a tiny bit of hope that maybe, just maybe, the villain of Hyrule Warriors will end up being decent even though her design is absolutely gross. (Though what I've heard of her story also sounds gross, so I'm not holding out much hope. Just a tiny shred.)

Despite not being a fan of DW's "selling point" gameplay. I'm not holding much hope for HW's plot after what I read on the antagonist's terrible and cliche'd motive - in fact, as the game stands right now it's a Dynasty Warriors Harem.

We already know Ganondorf is going to be present in some form, he may dig us out yet. Otherwise, yes, Hyrule Warriors is a great example of why Zelda is usually off-limits to third parties- not necessarily because Hyrule Warriors is going to be bad, but because of oddities like the HW villain. She just looks like something out of an entirely different game, despite that a female Gerudo with modern production values would look similar (if she isn't one already, I forget).
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:50 am

I have to say I haven't noticed the fanservice in Palutena's reveal Trailer...

Also who you guys think would be the newcomer revealed on monday?

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:49 pm

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The porn and almost porn or the victims?  Question   I'm afraid most adult anime fans on the internet already acquainted with the former- and we're the more qualified than anyone to lambast it to bits for it.  And folks don't think the age of internet porn isn't scary; we need more people who step outside of themselves, put down their instinct to play the prude card and realize the pit of more and more specialized and nonsensical sexualization ain't funny.  Piece said, off soapbox.

Eh. Sexually insecure people may be fairly common and easily exploited, but them coming clean on a part of who they are won't change the sex/fetish art industry that's for sure. I do believe the Japanese market relies more on sex than the western market does.

Sex is part of the market now in the most developed of nations, and as the US slowly becomes an oligarchy(it's a hypothesis, I dislike politics and political debate), sexual marketing is going to be a lot more common in society as aging, twisted religion-tied vows and preaches who formerly condemn sex in general and push it into a morally stable society like a harmless understanding are eventually going to be phased out from moral insecurity.

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Also what you guys think would be the newcomer revealed on monday?

Not much can be discussed other than what's been said on Sakurai's "Pic of the Day"/Twitter - it is most likely a newcomer and not a returning veteran.
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:36 pm

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Also who you guys think would be the newcomer revealed on monday?
Robin from FE: Awakening, and yes, I don't care about Chrom. Having YET ANOTHER sword user is awful but at least Robin can use magic. Other than that, I don't know... maybe Mallo from Pushmo or Matthew from GS: Dark Dawn?

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:41 pm

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Eh. Sexually insecure people may be fairly common and easily exploited, but them coming clean on a part of who they are won't change the sex/fetish art industry that's for sure.

That porn played them for fools in one form or another or that they were fetishists to start with?  One is the victory, the other is the grand lie of the whole thing, as you said yourself. Just clarifying.

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ShirleyVaga wrote:
Also what you guys think would be the newcomer revealed on monday?

Not much can be discussed other than what's been said on Sakurai's "Pic of the Day"/Twitter - it is most likely a newcomer and not a returning veteran.

Captain Falcon post-release reveal confirmed!  lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:58 pm

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That porn played them for fools in one form or another or that they were fetishists to start with?  One is the victory, the other is the grand lie of the whole thing, as you said yourself.  Just clarifying.

I'm...I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across here, I'm not victimizing anything or anyone, just stating observational and through research/experimentation, facts. All I did was reveal to you guys that animators/artists/writers are bigger pervs then one would imagine when it comes to professional ability for products/entertainment. It's difficult for a lonely artist to NOT express their sexual fantasies/fetishes without completely repressing themselves.

Just...just ask yourself the next time you watch an anime with an overly serious story arc with "realistic" character designs and there are really unnecessary or stalled shots of specific body parts, and the plot continues moving as if nothing happened. Yes, this is done purposefully often and even expressed as a tension-breaker, but on shows that lack those...well, you don't need it to see the obvious.
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:53 pm

Because you made that point clearly, and your last post had nothing to do with it and seemed a broad stroke to dam my topic derailing. For everyone's sakes I'm going to drop it.
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:37 pm

I still think sexual content is still 50/50 in anime, just because there's so much anime content. That's why it's so annoying when people generalize, it's because the naughty stuff is purposefully in your face, and motherfuckers simply don't watch the normal stuff. The sexy stuff is literally more noticeable BY DESIGN.


Basically I'm still salty that like two-three people in this forum's history have watched Natsume Yuujinchou. IT'S THERE, CRUNCHYROLL OR PIRATE, WATCH IT

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:47 pm

but it's giant, Taiyz D:

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:39 pm

It's four 12-episode seasons, isn't it? I really don't consider that to be much, especially considering that it's a show that's easy to get addicted to.

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:04 am

Omg so happy right now ;w; Robin, Lucina AND Chrom wtf.

Edit: Oh wait was Chrom only a part of Robin's Final Smash? Nooo :'( He was the one I wanted the most.

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:29 am

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It's four 12-episode seasons, isn't it? I really don't consider that to be much, especially considering that it's a show that's easy to get addicted to.
Yes.

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Omg so happy right now ;w; Robin, Lucina AND Chrom wtf.
They are negleting Golden Sun or what? I'm not liking this amount of FE characters.

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:22 pm

Levin Sword and a Spell Tome. I couldn't have thought of a better weapon set.

I'm maining Robin no matter what.

Matthew/ Isaac would probably just be an earth venus element variant of Robin at this point. Although you could do some interesting things with psynergy.

Push/ Move
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Growth/ Douse/ Sword slash thing
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:26 pm

Yeah, the psynergy is what would make Isaac a unique playable character. (I say Isaac because even though Matthew was in the most recent game, Isaac has been in all three. He deserves it more imo.) Not to mention combinations that could be made harnessing djinn . . . and imagine if he had a summon for his final smash! Isaac would be amazing.

I wouldn't care about having so many Fire Emblem characters, but with other series being neglected, it bugs me. We still haven't seen even the bill of Ness' baseball cap, for instance. :/
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:32 pm

Summon: Eclipse.



Maybe a Djinn switch action which allows him to turn into a different element?
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:47 pm

Oooh, that's an interesting idea. I don't think all of his psynergy attacks would have to switch to a different element, but I do remember that if you mixed-and-matched djinn you could temporarily get psynergy of different elements--at least for the ones that corresponded with the character's primary element. (IIRC, Mars and Venus were friends, as were Mercury and Jupiter. Jeez, I need to replay these games.)

Man, come on Nintendo, step it up. Isaac was an assist trophy last time--make him an actual character this time! Especially since the first GS game is on the Wii U virtual console!
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:50 pm

Issac/Matthew. Im fine with any of them but please nintendo!

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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:11 pm

You know, the fact that Lucina's a popularity insert (because how different is she really going to be from Marth, given her whole pre-release schtick was masquerading as him?) is rubbing me a lot harder than it really should.  But then on the contrast, its easier to appreciate when a series that doesn't feed most of Nintendo's bottom line has "disproportionate" reps; but representation is not the problem.  It's that we have five (four and a half) swords; now a potential Issac insert (which isn't happening at this point) would only make it worse!

I do appreciate the clear nod in Lucina and Chrom's being powerless before the Captain.  If he's going to be tacked-on, do that way!
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:01 pm

Again, though, Isaac has psynergy. He isn't solely a sword user. In fact, iirc he can also equip maces, so if they really wanted to they could give him one of those. (Though he should have a sword, because come on: Ragnarok psynergy.)

And really, we have six sword users if you count Link. A potential seventh if Ganondorf is in (is he? I can't recall if he was announced) and he is given his sword attack. There are swords all over the place in Smash Bros, enough so you could almost nickname it Soulcalibur. I don't see what's so awful adding one more character with a sword--especially one that would only use the sword for basic attacks, and who has things like the Move psynergy (telekinesis), Growth psynergy (plants shooting up from underground), Quake psynergy (earthquakes, obviously), Ragnarok (giant glowing sword that falls from the sky) etc to back it up.

(Growth would actually be hella cool for his Up+B move. Just grow a grass stalk out of the air and climb right back up it, huzzah!)
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:04 pm

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I don't see what's so awful adding one more character with a sword--especially one that would only use the sword for basic attacks, and who has things like the Move psynergy (telekinesis), Growth psynergy (plants shooting up from underground), Quake psynergy (earthquakes, obviously), Ragnarok (giant glowing sword that falls from the sky) etc to back it up.

(Growth would actually be hella cool for his Up+B move. Just grow a grass stalk out of the air and climb right back up it, huzzah!)

Douse could be Down+B!

A huge droplet of water to keep people from recovering to the side of the stage properly.
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:18 pm

A character fighter I actually wanted to make it to the roster made it in, so I'm happy and sated.

I'm currently picking part Robin's gameplay in the reveal trailer to see how h/she plays.

If you had a hunch that s/he plays like Olimar with the micro-managing mechanic, you are about 70% right. I'm not done deciphering this though, I think Robin is a pretty complicated character mechanic-wise.
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:01 pm

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And really, we have six sword users if you count Link.

I already was; Link, Marth, Ike, Lucina, Robin, and qualifying Robin; I'm counting Pit's as distinct because it really is. This ain't a Fire Emblem hate parade. It's true to that Issac would effectively been an ornamental weapon user, since psynergy would his point, and it still stands that the wider and more distinct attacks that would provide him would distinguish him from Zelda and Robin's magic.
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PostSubject: Re: Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS   Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:02 pm

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And really, we have six sword users if you count Link.

I already was; Link, Marth, Ike, Lucina, Robin, and qualifying Robin; I'm counting Pit's as distinct because it really is.  This ain't a Fire Emblem hate parade.

It's true too that Issac would effectively been an ornamental weapon user, since psynergy would his point, and it still stands that the wider and more distinct attacks that would provide him would distinguish him from Zelda and Robin's magic.

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There are swords all over the place in Smash Bros, enough so you could almost nickname it Soulcalibur.

*Internet Whine* But das da whole problem!
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