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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:30 pm

Interesting a girl protagonist...well really all the Tales games had a female protagonist paired with the male one, Luke and Tear, Jude and Milla, Soray and Alisha, ect. I really hope they are not making the Tales games like Final Fantasy 13 though. That would ruin the series.
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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:06 pm

I don't have an issue with it. Let's hope they keep their words and don't blatantly recycle things ^_^

Maybe we shall see more of "Gramps" when he was once all powerful and mighty? He lived a long life, after-all Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:50 pm

That explains why the werewolves were so familiar. I wonder if Velvet is part hellion and we're gonna see her purified eventually? And/or they might go the "a desire for revenge does not necessarily generate malevolence" route again.

I hope they explore tons of new areas - we have an OCEAN  this time after all. Don't do a Xillia 2 where there were like 3 new areas in the whole game.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:55 pm

Could be interesting. I don't really mind, but hopefully it'll feel like a brand new game, and not just a spin-off.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:34 pm

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Aaand it is set in the same world:

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/22/tales-of-berseria-takes-place-in-the-past-world-of-tales-of-zestiria/
Wow the female hero is pretty hot lol. But that is nice, I guess since its a prequel it will tell us about Zestiria's past more in-depth.
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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:49 pm

I'm not sure I like the idea of a prequel. That would mean the world would almost revolve around the same mechanics, and that means the Seraphim shit again (oh please god no Linking shit anymore please). It was okay for Zestiria, but the Shepherd and Hellion lore is too important for them not to muck up in the sequel.

They definitely didn't tout the Shepherd legend as a worldwide tale (only Glenwood's), but the nuance that it is only a local folklore of one continent kinda downplayed the epic of Zestiria a bit.

But then again, Ys did this a whole lot so I guess it's okay. And it is sorta interesting to see the Five Lords, if they're in this game. Props if they all have dragon form (Maotelus has one), and we get to fight them with Legend of Five Great Dragons playing. There is Scarlet Night after all..


Does anyone have a world map (or continent map) of Zestiria around? The big wall in Zaphgot Moor has always been annoyingly intriguing to me, if my guess is right and it's located somewhere at the north, then we might see the northern country in this game.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:02 pm

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And for once we don't really have anything else to feature, other than the mobile protagonists of Link and Rays LOL. I wish I was graphically inclined I would try something, perhaps Velvet and Lauphicet with Cress/Mint and Sorey/(whoever the person prefers to put)
Well I think we should stick to titles announced for America. Personally I would go with Sorey and DLC Alicia (maybe we could feature an alternate costume for Sorey if there's official art, like maybe how he appears at the start of the game?) with Rose beside her. Of course, Velvet would be critical...Though we know so little about the game's party, so it's hard to tell how critical the spirit boy will be, if he's considered a second lead character or just one of several.

Honestly I don't even think we need more than those two games since they're both in the same world which is kinda rare for Tales games. Aren't Phantasia and Symphonia the only other games to share the same world without being direct/numerical sequels?

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:04 am

Yeah that makes sense, I actually really like the idea of Sorey/DLC Alisha/Rose! and then Velvet on the opposite side with whatever is happening there.

You are correct! I'm kind of excited because of that, if its as far back as it seems its basically the Symphonia to Zestiria's Phantasia, which I think could be really nice, especially since we get to see the rest of the continents. Sorey dreamed of it, and Rose thought the idea was funny. Merchants near the end of the game mention that in the past trade had to be done over the oceans, so I think that's a really clever little thing. I think it could be too soon to jump right back into the same lore, I personally would have preferred a break, but the fact that its in the same world alone does not bother me at all. (This is actually what I was hoping they would do for another game set in Legendia's world).

It'll be interesting how they want to play things, and I hope they learned from X2 about recycling, at least this is a prequel. I'm excited for the lore to be expanded on, I did quite like it but because of our perspective of the novel Shepherd bringing back the blessing a lot was left in mystery or to figure out.

I'm interested that the Spirits are described as not having a will, I'm kind of excited for how things are going to play out, I just hope it doesn't too heavily rely on its winking at being connected to Zestiria. (Hopefully this means Go Shiina music call backs!)

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:02 am

Unfortunately I've been too busy to continue playing Zestiria, but a lot of the concepts behind the game really do have me interested in the franchise again, particularly with regard to the lore and the feel of this particular world. The fact that they're going to develop it more has totally won me back to the franchise...I just need to find some time to play these goddamn games.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:10 pm

I wonder if the malevolence is a "natural" thing. Could be like ToS and the
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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:57 pm

I was expecting it being a prequel to Zestiria (they hinted at it in the beginning, didn't they? *can't remember*) but tbh I wish it had been unrelated. I found Zestiria's worldbuilding pretty lackluster and have no desire to revisit it again. Oh well, hopefully this one will still look fresh despite the connection.
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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:03 pm

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I wonder if the malevolence is a "natural" thing.

I'm suspecting that we'll see how this Malevolence began. Our MC might be the first "Lord of Calamity", but a good hearted one, consumed by vengeance.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:09 pm

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I wonder if the malevolence is a "natural" thing. Could be like ToS and the
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No, its not a natural phenomenon, it is brought about because of the evil that people do that makes it manifest itself. If it were a natural occurrence like rain or snow, the malevolence would have affected Elysia, the village of seraph's too. Then again I'm not that far into the game yet so I don't know if it will affect Elysia or not, we know it can affect seraph's but I think it more like an invasion of an evil force that feeds on evil deeds people do rather than something that is natural. It could be natural when the world is full of evil but the game speaks of a time when malevolence didn't exist so if it were natural it would have always been around.
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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:43 pm

Ugh. The Claw (or rather, spiritual/non-physical material weapon) idea had potential...now connecting it to Zesty just made me less hype about Bearsy.

For the record, I haven't played Zesty, but I doubt I'll enjoy it when I do. Also, I'm not paying 70-75 dollars for a game I will not enjoy at all, so yeah.

/nextTalesplease

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:00 pm

Uh I paid 50 bucks for my game and how do you know you won't enjoy it without even trying it first? Just going by people's opinions about it on the internet is kinda silly. I personally like Zestiria a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:38 pm

Welcome to Canada. 69.99 plus ~13% tax for most provinces.

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For the record, I haven't played Zesty, but I doubt I'll enjoy it when I do. Also, I'm not paying 70-75 dollars for a game I will not enjoy at all, so yeah.

/nextTalesplease
Your opinion sounds super misinformed pleaseclarify before the lynch mob.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:57 pm

I dunno, I thought Zesty was pretty awesome myself. In fact, I am still playing it even after beating the boss, but not having started an EX new game. I just find it that damn fun lol...
Though, my body is ready for Berseria. Hopefully it was designed to be PS4 first, PS3 second, since the PS3 tends to be holding back these multi-platform releases. I guess Japan REALLY loves the PS3 still.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:38 am

Joys of Canadien lol

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Uh I paid 50 bucks for my game and how do you know you won't enjoy it without even trying it first? Just going by people's opinions about it on the internet is kinda silly. I personally like Zestiria a lot.

Well, when it was revealed to be Graces based, that's when all my hype for Zestiria (what little of it) went down the drain. I mean, I had my fun with Graces, but in the end, I really disliked the battle system. Tried replaying Graces, couldn't even be bothered to get past the first area.

And from what I've watched and see of Zesty videos, it IS Graces and isn't appealing to me at all. Though I will try it one day (when it's dirt cheap on Ps3), but I'm not so sure I'll enjoy it based from what I've seen of it. And hearing all the restrictiveness the Fusion system has just made me laugh after my experience with Hearts R.

Also Taiyz, this is my explanation: I don't want to waste moneyyyyyyyy with a gaem that I most likely will go "ugh..." Better spend it on Estival Versus instead.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:06 am

It is Graces in all of its glory, yeah, no doubt about it. However, there are improvements (and also backpedalling) here and there from the autopilot gameplay of Graces. Gotta know what made you tick first in Grace to know whether Zesty fixed it tho. Don't be alarmed, I hate Graces too.

but you mentioned hearts r, which is a very boring button mash with bare bone and very dumbed down mechanics of xillia, while having a secret boss that is literally just a huge damage sponge with no interesting patterns of attack and all you do is attack with occasional guard for like 10 minutes or so? and the only character that is fun to play is gal. so i dunno

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:05 am

In he end it all comes down to preference honestly.

I did finish Zhonecage, so I HAD fun with Graces. I feel that it IS the button masher and everyone feels the same in some level. The arte tree system annoys me the most about Graces, I just don't like the feel of it as compared to normal attacks + artes. I hate how you have to do a tiered list of things just to get to the arte you want to use. I want to use Beast as Asbel, but I have to go through two punches/kicks first. It feels restrictive for my taste. I don't believe this is what ToDR will be in 3D...

Hearts R did make aerial combat trivial due to cross chase, and compared to IR it's more streamlined, but I enjoyed it and IR more than any Tales game released post Graces f. Though, I liked how Hearts R (and Innocence R) managed to make everyone playable fun and somewhat balanced. Xillia ticked me off for its MC pandering (which is what all recent Tales games seemed to focus a lot more now. *Looks at Velvet's berserker arm*). X2 kindof fixed this (dammit Looger), but at the cost of making everything else aside from combat suffer. And aside from cross chase, I like the basic-ness of IR and HR compared to the gimmicks of X, X2, and Z.

And Gal is what I imagined Malik could've been. He's my most fave to play in Hearts R anyway so at least we agree (aside from Ys being Byst). And yeah, I did have some degree of fun with HR's secret boss (I would've loved to fight the original secret boss of DS Hearts more tho), but I can't deny that it IS a damage sponge.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:42 am

The battle system is very similar to Graces but not the story, the story is a lot better which is one of the reasons why I like it so much. And I kind of liked the battles in Graces. I haven't played Hearts R and I don't know when I'm going to since I don't have a PS Vita. I kind of wish some of these Tales games weren't so spread out on multiplatforms because it feels like I'd only be buying that console just to play the one Tales game which is most likely not going to happen unless I can find them really cheap.
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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:39 am

Yeah the arte tier system is rather ..discomforting(?) to me too, but it's pretty much just some flashy makeover of the usual direction+normal attack. And it does succeed in making normal attacks actually relevant until endgame, so I give them props for that, although I had hoped that they could let us customize the sequence to be honest.
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I hate how you have to do a tiered list of things just to get to the arte you want to use. I want to use Beast as Asbel, but I have to go through two punches/kicks first

This issue is somewhat fixed (or butchered depending on your view) in Zestiria. You don't have to do the any of the lower-tier A-arte to do, say Frigid Moon - a tier-4 A arte of Sorey. Instead, you can either do 3 B artes or 3 sidesteps (or the combination of the two) and then press the corresponding directional button + A arte button.

IMO, it's a lot more annoying this way because sometimes I wanted to do the 1st tier A arte, but since I sidestepped to dodge an incoming attack, I went straight to the 2nd tier arte. It's horrible.

Add that Zestiria has this invisible limiter on action count per combo string, this feels a lot more annoying. Like you're in a 3 arte combo but you need to dodge for a bit, then when you want to resume the combo for that awesome tier-4 arte, you can't because dodging used that action count limit. Well, not like having more action count is better in this case because what awaits you is the loltier1 arte because dodging replaced your tier-4 arte

f*** that shit. Yeah, you gunna hate Zesti for sure. Why the hell am I defending this.


Well, you do get Eternal skill to remove that action count limit, but on top of being a fucking grind to get, it still doesn't eliminate the other problem. But f*** yeah Eternal + Lucifer is awesomeshit.

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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:07 pm

Well, its kinda sad that you will "hate" the game, I think that's pushing it. You may hate the battle system/arte system but may love the story and just deal with everything else so you can experience the story. I'd at least give it a try but that's just me personally. I'm not going to say you "must" buy Zestiria but you're only dismissing it for one thing and not thinking about the other things about the game you might like.

And for the record, most people loved the battle system in Graces but disliked the story. Not all games are going to be liked for everything in them because unless you develop the game yourself its not going to be on par with every single expectation you have, you'll always find something wrong with it. I'd wait til the price drops a bit then buy Zestiria because 70 bucks is a little over the top.

Also, if you plan to play Berseria you might want to play Zestiria first so you have a grasp of what's going on.

The thing, I don't like about Zestiria is the camera, it takes a bit of getting used to but the other Tales had a much better camera.
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PostSubject: Re: Tales of Berseria (Ps3 and Ps4)   Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:46 pm

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Aaand it is set in the same world:

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/22/tales-of-berseria-takes-place-in-the-past-world-of-tales-of-zestiria/

If thats the case it might as be a prequel,seriously though this the 16th mothership title they cannot and shouldnt have any relations to previous series because its always set in their own worlds,character and etc
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