Its getting real close to Xillia 2's release date in the US

I'm a kind person.

So is Xillia 2 as dark as the first one?

xillia 2 have ominous gigantic purple fetus in the sky. it's dark i guess?

Well, it depends on your preference of "dark"ness. Most people said that Xillia 2 is the darkest and most mature Tales game ever, but I think it's pretty tame (Rebirth is actually darker in my honest opinion). how is xillia dark lol?

I like it not because of the darkness or the maturity, but because of the familial vibe it has going on as well as the scene direction. I'm a sucker for loli caretaking story (Usagi Drop before timeskip hnggggh) and brotherly love, and I'm also a huge fan of Tokusatsu. Add all these and multiply it with If It's For You ~Song 4 U~, then it's the best game ever.

Also,

Spoiler:

Giant fetuses? Yeah, right. Have you played Rebirth? There are english translation videos of it on Youtube so eventually I might pick it up from ebay. I don't know how Xillia is dark, it just seemed kinda dark to me, especially near the end which I think I am near the end. Is temporal crossroads the final dungeon?

What is that a picture of?

King Cat the Sixth wrote:

ominous gigantic purple fetus in the sky.

Well this thread just got interesting. Reminds me of the giant flying babies from Drakengard 1. xD

Milla sacrifices her life too, I thought that was kind of dark. Stahn from Destiny and Cless from Phantasia is in Xillia 2?

Problem with Xillia 2's "darkness" is that, in my opinion, a lot of those supposedly tragic events only happen because the creators said so, to the point of forcing the old cast into acting OOC just for the sake of sad thing happening. And most of the endings create a big plothole that wouldn't have happened had the creators either thought about their worldbuilding mechanics better, or let the story develop naturally instead of insisting on throwing sad things at us at every turn.

In fact the coliseum ending is probably the only one that makes 100% sense, despite how silly it is XD

/opinions

King Cat the Sixth wrote:

Holy shit, I'm so gonna cite you in my future paper Sliv.

By all means, be my guest!

I have even participated myself in outright forging information from "surveys" to show my professors that I had a good grasp of the dangers involved and how to properly interpret data if it were "real". Working with hypothetical data because your target group is too small or your data is outright contradictory to the result you want.

A pity, really.

Scrawlers wrote:

So yeah, Sliv, I pretty much agree with you, but that was the best I could find on short notice.

Oh don't worry about it.

The thing is, I think even 80% - 20% would be enough of a reason to cater to both genders.
Though you're probably right that it's closer to 50/50.


Semi-on-topic:

Would this count as overly sexualized:

Slivendiferious wrote:

Semi-on-topic:

Would this count as overly sexualized:

Depends.
I don't care what they look like in alternative costumes. They can be as silly, sexy and ugly as they want to be.

Zwei.0 wrote:

Slivendiferious wrote:

Semi-on-topic:

Would this count as overly sexualized:

Depends.
I don't care what they look like in alternative costumes. They can be as silly, sexy and ugly as they want to be.

Basically what Zwei said. If that was Zelos' main costume, then yeah, that would definitely be a hyper sexualized costume. But it's his swimsuit, so . . . xD

Well its been a while since I posted but I have only $60 left to pay off the collector's edition of Xillia 2. I'll just get paid next week and bam paid in full.

Yume Hanabi wrote:

Problem with Xillia 2's "darkness" is that, in my opinion, a lot of those supposedly tragic events only happen because the creators said so, to the point of forcing the old cast into acting OOC just for the sake of sad thing happening. And most of the endings create a big plothole that wouldn't have happened had the creators either thought about their worldbuilding mechanics better, or let the story develop naturally instead of insisting on throwing sad things at us at every turn.

In fact the coliseum ending is probably the only one that makes 100% sense, despite how silly it is XD

/opinions

You sound like you don't enjoy or like Xillia 2 very much, huh?

I enjoyed a lot of things about it, and I also hated a lot of things about it.

Hype backlash doesn't help, either. Xillia 2 is praised, but often at the cost of bashing Xillia 1. Why people can't enjoy things without putting other things down is beyond me (obviously some do, but the vocal ones tend to be the ones that are bashing/complaining about things), but for people who really love Xillia 1, hearing it routinely bashed in favor of putting Xillia 2 on a pedestal really doesn't make them feel very warmly toward Xillia 2--especially if their rebuttals get shut down or snapped at.

^Also this.

I probably wouldn't be so negative about the game if the fandom didn't treat it as the best thing ever, ignoring and minimizing its flaws while bashing Xillia 1 in the process.

True. I mean I certainly am treating it as the best thing ever because it definitely is. To me. It has its shares of flaws but who cares I love it.

But I'd rather not see the bashing of other game/series when discussing about it. I know you're entitled to your opinion but do you really need to trample over other things other people love for it?

Like dubstep. I love dubstep. But I also love rock, metal, orchestral, jazz, celtic, hip hop, blues, death metal, gamelan, punk rock, trance, screamo, pop, and flamenco.

Why can't we like both? Why can't we be friends D:

King Cat the Sixth wrote:

True. I mean I certainly am treating it as the best thing ever because it definitely is. To me. It has its shares of flaws but who cares I love it.

But I'd rather not see the bashing of other game/series when discussing about it. I know you're entitled to your opinion but do you really need to trample over other things other people love for it?

Like dubstep. I love dubstep. But I also love rock, metal, orchestral, jazz, celtic, hip hop, blues, death metal, gamelan, punk rock, trance, screamo, pop, and flamenco.

Why can't we like both? Why can't we be friends D:

Wars have been fought for less.

You might want to check out Crystallize by Lindsey Stirling if you like Dubstep Violin.

In any case, if anything, your discussions about Xillia 2 being the best thing ever or not, are certainly fueling my hype.

Yume Hanabi wrote:

I probably wouldn't be so negative about the game if the fandom didn't treat it as the best thing ever, ignoring and minimizing its flaws while bashing Xillia 1 in the process.

People had already been doing things like that with Symphonia and Vesperia. It's to be expected, really.

I'm not surprised, sadly. But it hits harder with the Xillias, because they're actually related, unlike say Abyss and Vesperia.

Is the LE available for pre-order in Canada anywhere? Kinda ignored this game.

If I would take a guess, Xillia 2 is also praised cause it "fixes" what Xillia 1 left unpolished: the Battle System.

Xillia 1 is fun for its battles, but Xillia 2 just improved it to something better and still as fun.

It's not hard to figure out how the fanbase would swing when they hear or experience that. Just look at how Legendia was (and is still) criticized, even if it had a good cast with an interesting setting (but I've been seeing quite some people praising it for those settings and cast, not just the music. And sometimes even the battle system).

I don't get why people bash another game for praising another just because they feel its better. It seems that people bash Xillia 1 because its just fun to do but not everyone bashes it even if they like Xillia 2 better. I've been on Youtube and many people praise Xillia 1 tremendously.

@DylDawg, The battle system in Legendia is a side scroller battle system which Phantasia and Destiny and Eternia had so if you liked those games for its battles, why bash Legendia for using the same platform?

Oh I don't have a problem with those who say its battle system is superior (although I've seen some people complain about how Jude and Milla get preferential treatment in the first in terms of link artes... and then turn around and praise Ludger for being a "one man army". Double standaaaaards).

It's when they treat it as this huge improvement in all domains (especially the story; I wonder how many will still claim that once they play it in a language they fully understand) and minimizing its most blatant flaws while nitpicking everything Xillia 1 did that I start to get bitter. True, X2 improved some stuff from the first, but it also took a few steps back in some areas and I'm kinda surprised no one cares considering the backlash Dawn got for doing pretty much the same thing. Well, no, I'm not really surprised tbh, Symphonia was widely loved while Xillia's reception was a lot more lukewarm, so in a way it's no wonder that X2 messing with its worldbuilding etc does not bother people the way Dawn did with Symphonia's world. Still, as a Xilliaverse lover, that double standard from the fandom grates me to no end, even if I understand where it comes from. That plus hype overexposure soured my opinion of the game further than it would have under different circumstances.

I realize it's mostly my problem, which is why I've now taken ranting to a private blog for the most part.

Yume Hanabi wrote:

Oh I don't have a problem with those who say its battle system is superior (although I've seen some people complain about how Jude and Milla get preferential treatment in the first in terms of link artes... and then turn around and praise Ludger for being a "one man army". Double standaaaaards).

A double standard would be if Ludger plus one other character got a crapton of team attacks together but all of the other characters got like, 2 amongst eachother, THEN people praising Ludger. In other words, they criticize the first game for Milla and Jude having a ton of link artes amongst eachother while the other characters get half as much. Which is fair, considering the the whole premise of the game being team-based.

People praising Ludger for being a "one-man army" mainly comes from the soloing community, as well as the fact that Ludger is compatible with basically everyone in terms of link artes, whereas in the first game you were either relegated to the other main character(if playing as Jude or Milla) or were shafted if you liked to play as any of the side characters. In other words, Ludger is praised for versatility, which the first game definitely lacked.

I mean I hate the Tales fanbase too but atleast be fair when you're calling out their bullshit.

DreamSword wrote:

A double standard would be if Ludger plus one other character got a crapton of team attacks together but all of the other characters got like, 2 amongst eachother, THEN people praising Ludger. In other words, they criticize the first game for Milla and Jude having a ton of link artes amongst eachother while the other characters get half as much. Which is fair, considering the the whole premise of the game being team-based.

People praising Ludger for being a "one-man army" mainly comes from the soloing community, as well as the fact that Ludger is compatible with basically everyone in terms of link artes, whereas in the first game you were either relegated to the other main character(if playing as Jude or Milla) or were shafted if you liked to play as any of the side characters. In other words, Ludger is praised for versatility, which the first game definitely lacked.

To be honest I don't see the difference between the two situations.

It's the exact same thing.

There's just two of them in Xillia 1 and one of them in Xillia 2.