Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS

Taiyz wrote:

Jazzeh wrote:

Taiyz wrote:

Jazz should probably post her friend code in here considering her post on the previous page, HINT HINT.

Hey it's not my fault no one remembered the fc sticky in this subforum

...and i guess i'll go ahead and add the codes that were posted in this topic while i'm at it.

I looked in there but I couldn't tell if it wasn't kept up to date or just inactive. It's probably because of our forum's nature to only play multiplayer games when a new title has come out, for maybe 3-4 weeks, to 3 months if lucky. (RIP Mario Kart 8.) I see this friend code stuff in a lot of threads so I figured I should post it in here, but I think we need to fix that.

OKAY EVERYBODY, FRIEND CODES IN THE STICKY FROM THIS POINT ON

Well, since I'm late to the party I'll just throw it in my signature.


Control customization is great, I just wish you could swap around D-pad and control pad functions.

I agree with:

Dracos wrote:

Is it just me or is the level 9 ai harder than ever in this game. I have never seen them so patient, precise, and able to counter everything you do so easily, especially one on one. It feels more like luck fighting them with a roll of the dice choosing whether they will dodge/shield or not.

This. I've had times where I've won 2-0 (3 stock) against a LV 9 ZS samus, and times where I couldn't even touch her, while using the same character.
I have this growing suspicion that they learn from your patterns during a battle and come up with a way to counter it.

Drake wrote:

They're very good at dodging and countering, yes. They'll also actively try to edgeguard you, which wasn't really a thing before. The AI has clearly improved.

And this.
Lucina, Marth and Ike just counter 90% of my attacks, Shulk guards against 90% of them and counters the other 10%, I have no idea what's going on when I fight little mac, and I haven't been able to even deal a single point of damage to LV 9 Olimar.
That guy is insane.

Ganondorf is brilliant with the timing of his edgeguards.

And of course literally everyone air dodges at exactly the right time to be invulnerable in the air until they reach the ground, making it impossible to hit them with Up B's.

Divinus Fulmen wrote:

Control customization is great, I just wish you could swap around D-pad and control pad functions.

And this. I've lost many battles because I flunked my recovery by using Side-B instead of Up-B.

I'll add you later Div.

I need to figure out how the priority of attacks work. I always seem to be drawing the short end of the stick when using an attack at the same time as someone else.

Dracos wrote:

Is it just me or is the level 9 ai harder than ever in this game.

Some people said the Lvl 9 AI can read your inputs. That would explain some of my battles.
And I still wish that I could use my GC-controller, my fingers are to large to play. Now I know how Homer felt.

Wii U version on November 21st.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20141007005353/en#.VDPlfBawSjL

December 5 for EU OH WELL! Nice to have a release date.

Zwei.0 wrote:

Some people said the Lvl 9 AI can read your inputs. That would explain some of my battles.
And I still wish that I could use my GC-controller, my fingers are to large to play. Now I know how Homer felt.

Wouldn't surprise me, I was playing as sheik once and when I teleported the computer attacked exactly where I was going be just perfectly so I teleported into his attack.

Yeah the AI in this game isn't well designed. It might act smarter, but it also does inhuman things. They grab, counter and air-dodge far too successfully, and they escape from being buried or grabbed so fast that it's not worth attempting. I'm fairly certain that they mash buttons to escape from those things faster than a human could.

I don't think that they read your inputs, because that's stupid, but there's probably no buffer time for them to "think," they just act as soon as the code lets them, and then there's enough randomness thrown into to make them occasionally turtle, because they do let up sometimes.

Fighting AI Mario/Dr. Mario is infuriating because they just keep spinning you around with their cape/coat.

I've been battling random LV 9 AI's with Mii Fighter, Greninja, Kirby and Baby Bowser to... moderate failure, most of the time barely losing, sometimes barely winning...

Until Kirby showed up.

What I've seen from LV 9 AI Kirbs, is that it plays almost exactly like how I used to play it in SSB64, only without all of the B specials. Seriously, aside from the occasional trying to swallow me, it hasn't used any.

I'm glad it showed me that Kirby can still be played that way, because my god, I couldn't dent it.
They say his range got nerfed...
I think the AI disagrees.

I'm nowhere near that level of skill with Kirby in this game yet though...

So I got this yesterday and while I'm still acclimating to the controls (dat circlepad) I've been having a lot of fun as Pit so far. While the last SSB I played was Melee it was very little BUT I did play the original on N64 with friends as a kid. HATED playing against Kirby back then.




Also the lack of Lucas in this game saddens me.

Bowser Jr Morton is the best newcomer in this game. It's a shame Smash Run doesn't have an online/with friends option for multiplayer, it's really fun to play~. Just one question, is it possible to change the rules in Smash Run so it can only play "Race to the Finish/Climb as high as you can" minigames at the end of each round?

My only issue is the circle pad because I'm mostly paranoid to break it after the rubber protector peeled off by playing Pokémon of all things.

Txn wrote:

by playing Pokémon of all things.

Mash those buttons!

Pokemon is an intense game man.

Bowser and Yoshi are definitely more of a threat than they used to be.

Can anyone give me advice against Olimar?
I can't touch that guy =(

I'm going to try to get back into kirby by fighting a 99 stock match against lv 9 ai kirby.
Not to the finish of course xD

Advice against Olimar is largely 1) gimp, 2) take advantage when he has no Pikmin 3) don't get hit

Thanks...


Is it possible to counter a counter with a counter?

For example, Marth uses an attack, Lucina counters, Marth counters said counter?

It's probably not possible without item usage, standard attacks and specials all have too much recovery I reckon.

Haven't tried it with many characters yet, but Greninja definitely can't Substitute Shulk's Vision.

It might be possible the other way around, as Substitute is a bit weird in terms of counters.
It has a bit of lag at the start, disappears when hit and gives the enemy 1 second to respond or move before reappearing with a devastating knockback attack.

I guess since Shulk's Vision seems to activate instantly, it should be able to activate right in-between the two parts of the attack.

But no luck as of yet.

Also remember when I used Shulk Up-Smash, triggered your Substitute and still managed to hit you while you were counter-attacking.

Txn wrote:

Also remember when I used Shulk Up-Smash, triggered your Substitute and still managed to hit you while you were counter-attacking. :P

That's because I came from above.

Substitute can approach from 64 different angles, apparently...

In any case, Substitute has been universally acknowledged as the worst counter in SSB4.
As "any competitive player" will be able to work around it.

While Shulk's is seen as one of the best ;)

It's quite easy to guard in between the two phases of the Substitute counter though.
So yes, theoretically, Shulk can counter the substitute counter with Vision.

Double post but eh,

The Taiyzer and I did some testing, and Greninja's "Substitute" can quite reliably be countered with Peach's Toad.
Toad's counter won't always hit Greninja though, depending on where he's coming from, having 64 directions to choose from and all.

In the heat of battle  it is harder to pull off, but it can definitely be done.

https://i.imgur.com/wGfDR36.jpg (embedding didn't work for some reason)

Tee hee.

Haha XD Good one.

When I'm back home (friday this week) I'd love to play some smash with you guys.

I'd be down for having a few matches this weekend, Moony. I haven't spent as much time with this game as some others may have (I still haven't unlocked everybody yet lol) but it should be fun regardless.

Yay \o/ Looking forward to that then! And yeah I still have characters to unlock too. It's weird. Ness was the first one to appear, but I couldn't beat him and he hasn't shown up since then .__.

That's odd, so you finished a Smash or Smash Run after losing and you didn't get a rematch? After a bunch of online play with Sliv and Jase I was getting a new challenge after each offline match, and it was the same one until I beat them.

Moontoon wrote:

Yay \o/ Looking forward to that then! And yeah I still have characters to unlock too. It's weird. Ness was the first one to appear, but I couldn't beat him and he hasn't shown up since then .__.

Have others show up instead of him?

Because at some point I had to defeat R.O.B before I could get someone someone else (forgot who) before I could unlock Ganondorf, even though I fought Ganondorf first (failed) and then R.O.B. showed up.

Yeah other characters have appeared. I think the last one I got was Lucina.